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Comment on The Meaning of Natural Born Citizen by Hugh

Hugh — Tue, 19 Jun 2012 21:01:59 +0000

UR:

I have found the following on September 9, 2009 concerning Ramsay and William Smith. I am trying to separate wheat from chaff.

September 9, 2009
Correct. William Smith was his name. They tried to make it sound like political sourgrapes, but Ramsay had already written too much on the subject to expect an educated person to believe his gripe was merely political competition. Had Smith not played hostess to American officials over in France, they wouldn’t have let him slide. They did confiscate his property and he admitted to that. It’s a great research case because no one argued with Ramsay on the merits of citizenship. It was Smith’s excuses and alleged attempts to make the journey back to his native country that gave him a pass. Some citizen responses to the local papers at the time attested to Smith as being a weasel.

I want to compare Madison response on the House floor to “no one argued with Ramsay on the merits of citizenship.

Thanks! Is there another site UR posts to?

Hugh

Alright, I don’t think it’s wise to get caught up in the election brouhaha which prompted Ramsay’s Dissertation. It’s not relevant to what Ramsay states with regard to the criteria of citizenship.

I’m going to make that caveat only because I see that since we released that Dissertation to the Internet, many have taken it and harped upon the election dispute in an effort to discredit the meat of the document. They’ve even gone so far as to try to personally portray the man in a bad light using a slanted moral compass they can’t even hold a candle to morally. So goes the way of politics.

For our purposes, the election dispute and political agendas behind the story that gave birth to the Dissertation were irrelevant. We were after what a Founder had to say about citizenship as close to the time period as possible from a source that was indisputably credible. We think we did that with the release of just that one document.

Thomas Jefferson received Ramsay’s 1600 or so pages on American History without objection and much appreciation. Ramsay was married to Henry Lauren’s daughter. He was not an illiterate historically or politically – he was there and an integral part of the hands which sculpted out the framing of the country. His writings are therefore absolutely relevant to be considered in what citizenship entails. He’s a Founder. I believe Madison was one of the dignitaries that Smith served abroad as were many of the others involved in that vote. Take into consideration that slavery was a big issue as well and Ramsay was anti-slavery. There were political agendas involved where the voting was concerned. That doesn’t take away from the fact that Ramsay was still, in his own right, a valued and highly respected icon of the times and his writings were the de facto standard of historical education for many decades thereafter.

The situation with William Smith says this -

The Charleston district’s election was the most bitterly contested in the state. In terms of biting ad hominem attacks, it was the most personal of any campaign for the First Federal Congress. Two days before the polls opened on 24 November, Ramsay publicly disputed Smith’s eligibility under the Constitution’s seven year citizenship requirement. The attack ignited a brief but acrimonious newspaper and broadside debate over Smith’s patriotism and Ramsay’s antislavery sympathies.

http://www.gwu.edu/~ffcp/mep/displaydoc.cfm?docid=fcsmith

The contest was over the “seven year citizenship requirement”. Understanding that is crucial to context of the election debate but not necessary to understanding the other points of citizenship made within the Dissertation.

We read Madison’s take on things. We also took into consideration his agenda and tried to separate the necessary components of the Dissertation, especially that which no one argued about. If you’d like to add your take, please do. Share away!

-Adam
UR/UCONN

ps. I’ll leave it to Steve to answer your other question.

Comment on WIND OF CHANGE by kittycat77

kittycat77 — Sat, 12 May 2012 22:09:26 +0000

Oh, Kelly, you are here!!! So glad to hear you again. Jill was writing over at the old place, you know where, and I told her that I hadn’t gotten a response back here yet. But I stand corrected. Maybe I just forgot where I stuck my post.

Glad to know that you’re here. Still a lot of catching up to do.

Comment on WIND OF CHANGE by Kelly

Kelly — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 19:53:54 +0000

Heya Kitty!!! What a great surprise! Welcome to the blog but pssstt… don’t mention the other place here. We’ve got a jerk stalking ZAPEM. But it’s ok because we’ve got our lawyer friends talking to someone higher up about that. You might want to read the latest story to see what that’s all about and catch up.

Then hide because if Steve sees you, he’ll put you to work.

Comment on WIND OF CHANGE by kittycat77

kittycat77 — Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:51:35 +0000

Hello everyone,

I am glad to be here. Just reading up while I have a little time to do so. Miss all of the group. Wish that things could be different and Barky be long gone.

Comment on TWITTERGATE REDUX by X0pht

X0pht — Fri, 30 Mar 2012 11:49:04 +0000

This morning, Steve and I got up the first segment which will lead to many more reports. This is a refresher for some of you and we understand that, but we felt it was better to recap certain events before going into much deeper networks. We still have some inlinks to add before the end of today.

If we left out any source links, please add them here and we’ll be sure to consolidate it.

If you have any thoughts or details of your own, you’re welcome to join in. If you want to share anything privately, we’ve added a contact page.

We have a lot more coming soon.

Comment on WIND OF CHANGE by X0pht

X0pht — Thu, 29 Mar 2012 00:22:40 +0000

I’m the newest in this group (around 6 months now) but I’ve met Kelly and I have to say she’s a very smart girl with a hell of lot of spunk and energy.

I’ve brought a crew with me to UR and my job is going to be educating people with tools they can use to dig out the communism she’s talking about. Yeah, we’re labeling it communism because it is and it’s happening right now. For those interested in the technical analysis, I’m your guy.

Awesome song and research of where they ripped off the hope and change theme from an ’80′s song. You guys have a knack for seeing right through their lies and proving how they’re twisting history. We’re proud to be on board with UR.

Comment on WIND OF CHANGE by Star

Star — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:39:09 +0000

Thank you, Steve and all the Undead Revolutionaries! Your work
is monumental and I’m quite sure, if you ever get it published,
will be historic. These are, after all, historic times. Never before
has there been such an anti-American, UNconstitutionalist president
in our White House. We are so blessed that you were called by
your love of and loyalty to our precious country and her history to
undertake this singularly vital research.

The pursuit of truth is noble, worthy and most honorable. May God
smile on your efforts.

“… and an Angel in the whirlwind still directs this storm”

PS .. It dawned on me today, while hearing the SCOTUS news,
that even as Obama thought he was so cunning in removing
Kagan from Solicitor Generalship so she would be a favorable
vote on the Court, her replacement inexplicably stumbled and
stuttered in his performances.

What wonders may yet unfold. Our Angel … indeed.

I apologize I’m slow getting more things up. We’ve been dumped a lot of material which was almost as painfully tedious to go through as historical documents. In fact, these are worse because there’s a present web of deceit to unravel, much of which is unexplored and where you can be of much help.

I promise this will become more clear in the next few days. I’m trying to put it in chronological order but in a way that makes sense to everyone.

-Steve
Undead Revolution

Comment on WIND OF CHANGE by rxsid

rxsid — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 18:17:30 +0000

Glad to see your back, folks of the UR.

Looking forward to your posts.

Comment on WIND OF CHANGE by -Malgad

-Malgad — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 04:50:44 +0000

Welcome back yourself, Cindy!

Great article, as usual. “Changing the narrative”.. you sound like Breitbart, but you knew that, right? ;0)

You’ll be seeing a few new faces here writing out stuff that’s going to be unique. We’ll leave polishing it up to people like you.

Comment on WIND OF CHANGE by Sallyven

Sallyven — Sat, 24 Mar 2012 00:47:32 +0000

Yes, it is all about the manipulation of words, not just the ones in the Constitution, and about who is the master:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/the_master_of_words.html

We are in a war of words.

Welcome back, Undead.
~Cindy